Did I miss something? My copy came in a box with a jewel case.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Atari-Jaguar-CD-Wo...=item4165a968b2

Odd. I don't own a CD unit, but the box & jewel case is how I've always seen it man.

DVDs started taking off in '96 and WTR came out in '97 so I guess the timeline matches up there ... ?

Never heard of this, or seen it before.

If it wasn't sealed, I would think it was a homemade copy.

Agreed, not aware of Telegames EVER selling their games in DVD cases. Something isn't right here....

Being sealed doesn't always mean its brand new, or genuine. All you need is plastic and a heat gun.
I work in a warehouse and we have that stuff on hand. Takes a bit of practice to do it without melting holes in the plastic but can easily be done.

Not that I have ever tried to pass off something used as new, just used it at work.

RRRRR!

A year or so ago I made a post about the possibility of people counter fitting games for the Jaguar, but the general consensus was that it would probably only happen with games like Gorf. However these days you can buy everything you need to copy a game in this style for less than 50 cents. Sealing the game is a little more awkward, but if you know someone in a video or game store then bingo you now have a perfect sealed game.

I am not saying the eBay seller is counter fitting games, but his Sensible Soccer looks dodgy too http://www.ebay.com/itm/280875512065 let alone some of his pristine sealed NES games.

Yeah, that is a rather odd looking shrinkwrap job.

You're spot on, that's another resealed game. That sucks, totally scamming the unaware.

Yeah, I have quite a few copies of WTR from Telegames and they came in the typical Jaggy box and not a DVD case. I do not ever remember seeing the 'official' releases in DVD cases. I would assume this is not a true official release with a printed cover that has been resealed. I will say that with the price Jag games are going for these days, this really is not a shock to me. But it is still very disappointing. Too bad.

I emailed the guy and he said he bought it in Canada when it came out which would have been 1997. I bought my first DVD player back in 1998 and it was extremely hard to find any DVD's to buy, so the chance of anyone having empty DVD cases to buy is extremely remote, especially as the first DVD recorders and media were not introduced until late 2000, and they cost a fortune.

The WTR DVD inserts were made available , i thought we had those dvd inserts available here for download. "JAGUAR RULES!"

Agreed man. I got my first DVD back in Christmas of '96 and I wasn't even in a standard DVD case. It was a release of Independence Day in a giant 2 door silver DVD case. The standard DVD cases probably weren't readily available back when WTR dropped in '97.

I bought probably out of the first batch that came out to Telegames. It came in a Jewel case and box. I swear to god my copy ran with 20 cars on the tracks but youse all look at me like I'm nuts. .

Hey Chris, you could send an e-mail to Telegames UK.

They are friendly people, and might have an answer for you?

That sort of sealing is really hard to do by hand -- it isn't a simple shrinkwrap, it's a machine folded wrap. Makes me wonder if someone at Telegames decided to make more copies, as it would be extremely brazen for a collector to pirate a game using a professional production house. Having said that, stranger things have happened.

As for the Sensible Soccer, one possibility is that there is at least one vendor out there who wholesales and when they do, the games that they send they say are new... but they really aren't. I caught on a couple games we bought from them as I was sending them that they were repacks and asked them, and they said that they just sold them how they 'thought they should be' and didn't actually verify their condition at all. I had to open the games I got like that and we ended up selling them as used. That Sensible Soccer looks very similar to some of those, and may very well be a totally honest mistake. It's not like Sensible Soccer is commanding so much new that it would make it worth all that trouble to reseal it up... especially because there is a good chance it will be opened!

Yes you may have a point about the sealing. My sealed by hand packages don't look anywhere near that good.

I find it funny that the seller would say he bought it in Canada. I live in Canada and generally speaking the only difference between games sold in the US and in Canada is the languages on the packaging and manuals.
IMO he said that hoping the person asking thought it was possible games sold in Canada had different packaging.

That being said it's hard to say for sure. I've never seen a Canada specific JAG game (let me know if they exist).
These days it would be very easy to tell as all games sold here have English and French everything.

Its just a custom insert in a dvd case, nothing special and surely somebody shrink wrapped that to make more money, but i wonder if it includes the manual. Telegames NEVER shipped that game in a dvd case, it came with a box, remember though Telegames was so cheap the couldn't even produce quality labels for Iron Soldier 2 cartridge lol. I dont believe all the Telegames came factory sealed anyway...

None of the telegames releases were "Factory Sealed" they were not back then and they are not now... I just bought a IS2 cart a few weeks ago, and bought both IS2 CD and WTR CD back in the day.

No, look at the pictures further down. That's a professional machine 'shrink wrap' job, not something that you could do with a little time and a heat gun.

That's the picture that makes it all very weird to me, otherwise I'd agree with you. I don't think it is from 'back in the day' though, if anything it is a new production run... but from where?

Yippee I won this auction. Now I get to video it and see if it is fake which it would appear to be.

Leeb.

Did you ask him where he got it from?

I'm *extremely* curious about this one, so please be sure to post what you find out!!

When asked about it, he included " Hello, Thanks for your message. I bought this at Lucifer's fun house in Victoria, BC.", he then goes onto include " I bought one of the Cardboard box copies as well. Unfortunately, it was crushed in shipping so it sold for less. One more thing. I have only seen 3 other copies like this one."

Uh, that looks like the custom dvd artwork created by Raven1280. I'm pretty sure I have the exact same thing for my copy of WTR. So, I guess that's 4 copies seen using the same design?!

Yup, just checked... same artwork.

Someone got screwed... could have been the seller, originally.

If so do you know if they were sealed like that, or is it an original game in a box and then someone else has sealed it to pass it off as a new game, or maybe a copy of the game with the case and then sealed? Anyway to confirm anything with Raven1280?

Look at the pictures again though, specifically the two showing the top and the bottom plastic seals. It isn't a simple shrinkwrap job -- it's a folded seal like I have *only* ever seen from machines before. It might be Raven1280's artwork, but it begs the question of who did it. I have never, ever seen someone who has sealed a DVD using that method, and if it was a reseal by someone, I would love to know how in the world they did it.

That's the part that makes no sense to me. It would be extremely bold for someone to press a bunch of these and then try selling these, and this should have sent huge red flags to any pressing company, but it sure seems to be a professionally produced pirate copy, or perhaps Telegames did do a new run, and ripped off Raven's artwork.

It's strange, I'm really interested in pictures.

I agree it seems strange. When I get it I will take some high resolution scans and see if we can come to some conclusion as to when and how it came to be. Another point is the part that I could find no trace of the store where he said that he bought it, even though that would be years old.

Then again maybe he is high tech and has one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DVD-Disc-Case-Wrap...#ht_2051wt_1169

You can find disc overwrappers for fairly cheap. If someone was inclined to resell games as a business, it would be a good idea to find an inexpensive machine like this one. This machine does a good job and it costs about $320.00USD

If the gentleman wrapping the game in this video would have taken his time and heated the corners, they would have folded in also. Take a look at the site for the machine also. It shows a nice pic of one of the corners and it looks very professional. My point is, there are inexpensive ways to do a professional job of wrapping a dvd case. I think it is totally possible that someone who sells a lot of products on ebay and would profit a little more if they were shrink-wrapped would purchase something like this and use it.

I am not saying this person did this or anything. I am just giving my opinion.

It's a nice machine except those who use it for the wrong reasons. For an eBayer selling lots of items, if they do random games then it could keep the illusion of them having genuine sealed items when they are in their living room making them.

99% sure that's my cover. I uploaded them all to thecoverproject.net a few years ago.

Yeah, hunh. Surprising how they more or less say in that video, "Use this machine to fake seal used games for profit!" Having said that, I ran through some of the seller's other items, and that was at least when I looked the only item sealed that way. I can't imagine that seller having bought the machine to do it for just that one game.

10p6 -- what's your plans for when you get it? Are you going to open it? I think that would really go a long way to solving this... and, if it is a fake which I think even without that funky / scary machine that JaguarGod mentioned, I would peg at a 90%+ chance that it is, it's the only way you can return it / get a refund if need be.

I think it would be fairly pointless to purchase that machine for one game here and there also. But my point was to show that it can be done cheaply. Do you think it is possible that it could have been repackaged by the store he bought it at? I can't seem find anything on the store he purchased it at though.

No matter what though, World Tour Racing is one of, if not, my favorite Jag game as it if an F1 style game. I play it so much still today! I was bidding on this item and lost out to 10p6 in the last second. I was curious too as to what was going on with it.

10p6, we would love to hear your thoughts after you receive the game. I hope you decide to play it.

I am not sure if I am going to open it right away as I am hoping a friend can x-ray it. I can tell you though that it is a fake. The DVD case is relatively recent, and the DVD sleeve for WTR is an exact copy of the one on here in the download section. As for the money and return this was part of a test to see how many Jag games are being copied. I now have three different ones, and this is by far the cheapest. I am almost tempted to find out who's fingerprints are hiding under those nice protective shrink-wrapped games.

I received this email this morning:



From: Pete Mortimer
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:10 AM
To: 10p6
Subject: Re: Fake Game

Sorry for slow reply 10p6

All the WTR games we made and sold by us in standard Atari style card boxes,we never used DVD packaging for any of our cd games

Regards

Pete

Telegames
Kilby Bridge,Wigston,Leics,LE178 3TF

Somebody took Ravens artwork, put it in a dvd case and sealed it, i wonder if its an actual copy of the game or if its just a burnt copy

+1

+1

Looking forward to hearing if it's an original game disc, a plain old burned CD-R or even (heaven forbid) a dodgy counterfeit effort.

We might need to "This an original copy" to the DVD covers we got made up!

You don't think anybody would do that in this community do you?

To use a phrase from over on your side of the pond, I plead the Fifth!

that means guilty until proven innocent!