The Official Battlesphere(tm) Thread - Atari Jaguar Sector II

The Official Battlesphere(tm) Thread

Thunderbird View Member Profile	Dec 14 2005, 09:25 PM Post #16
Jaguar VR Group: JSII Super Moderator Posts: 15,202 Joined: 19-May 04 From: N.Y. Member No.: 10	I wish all you guys who are supposed to never have been contacted would tell me what email addresses you used to write me, or perhaps your names you used in correspondence, because I have every email I ever received and sent and I have no idea who's handle online here goes with what name/email. -------------------- Thunderbird http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79tMMFja-Fw

Kevincal View Member Profile View Member Albums	Dec 14 2005, 11:24 PM Post #17
Jaguar Web Cortina Group: JSII Lifetime VIP Posts: 2,867 Joined: 21-May 04 From: Fairfield, California Member No.: 58	Cool, could you check out kevin_in_cal_20@sbcglobal.net That was the email I used to contact you regarding the last batch of BS:G If you need to reach me now, my email is kevincali22@comcast which I have never contacted you with. And thanks for your time. This post has been edited by Kevincal: Dec 14 2005, 11:30 PM -------------------- Cherish the most important things in life, your health & family.

Saturn

Dec 15 2005, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE (Punisher @ Dec 14 2005, 09:20 PM)

And ohh I don't know if you remember this but the "mystery guest" you asked me about is on this site and has kissed your ass a couple of times.

Who dat be?
I've wondered about this for a long time.
C'mon, PM me the info if ya don't want to publicly identify him.

I won't either..

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Protector SE is cool though, I use it as a primary Bypass cart cuz I don't want to abuse my BSG. -Jaysmith2000
12/24/04
That is what makes this board so great, people like you. The Jag community is stronger than ever. -JaguarGod
09/05/04
Jaguar was - and still is - a fascinating console! :) -t.skid 06/03/04
Oh great! Now I get a guilt trip for almost killing my buddy Saturn! -Thunderbird 12/20/03
AvP Maps

Jaysmith2000 View Member Profile View Member Albums	Dec 15 2005, 08:00 AM Post #19
JSII Administrator Group: JSII Admin Posts: 24,484 Joined: 19-May 04 From: ADVENTURELAND Member No.: 1	I can only say, I emailed, was put on the list and received my copy. BSG that is, I had to BS after the fact... -------------------- He has always wanted to control everything. Sadly he can't even control himself. - Anonymous 10/4/09 Your reasonings are the reason why I'm here. This has proven again and again to be probably one of the last "safe harbors" from BS of any videogaming board I've ever frequented. JSII is quite simply awesome. - Vanadium 8/24/05 HO HO HO! Saturn Claws: Well little boy, what would u like for Xmas? Child: I wants a PS2 Saturn Claws: Fuck off......you can have a Jaguar like everyone else - Bonzo 12/27/04 Jason ROCKS! I can't wait to see that stuff!!! - Thunderbird 12/26/03

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Dec 15 2005, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE (Kevincal @ Dec 14 2005, 06:39 PM)

Another cool thought would be to use normal grey carts to save on the cost of the clear ones. Or maybe sacrafice some Trevor McFur black carts and use those! That would be pretty cool!

That's not 'cool' that's BLASPHEMY!

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Dec 15 2005, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE (Serblander @ Dec 15 2005, 11:48 AM)

QUOTE (Kevincal @ Dec 14 2005, 06:39 PM)

Another cool thought would be to use normal grey carts to save on the cost of the clear ones. Or maybe sacrafice some Trevor McFur black carts and use those! That would be pretty cool!

That's not 'cool' that's BLASPHEMY!

DISCLAIMER:
The following is my OWN opinion and the result of info I've seen, read and listened to over the course of a few years. It's not intended to step on any toes, put words in anyone's mouth or change a point of view. If, by reading the following you feel the need to accuse me of anything besides having my own thoughts/opinion about the subject, just fuckin bite me instead.

I think BattleSphere was released in the condition it was, with the attention paid to box quality, art and even the details of manufacturing the components because it was supposed to be a prized release/addition. From what I gather, the release meant something and was to be done properly and not just a shit release or quick money maker. Seems like selling the game any other way would be insulting as a lot of pride was taken in all aspects.
Thinking about it like that, seems all the requests over the years for a BS:G withOUT all the extras or even a barebones pcb "so it don't cost so much" would defeat the purpose of having such a pristine piece of software make it's way to consumers.

If I'd gone through all that, I'd want my baby sent out in a dominant fashion. After all, it's the best game on the system.

That last statement is directed toward certain Tempest and AvP lovin Admins.

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JSII always has your back. -Jaysmith2000 3/8/05
That's one thing that makes the Atari fanbase so unique: the longer we exist, the stronger we get. -TheGrandPubaa
2/25/05
Protector SE is cool though, I use it as a primary Bypass cart cuz I don't want to abuse my BSG. -Jaysmith2000
12/24/04
That is what makes this board so great, people like you. The Jag community is stronger than ever. -JaguarGod
09/05/04
Jaguar was - and still is - a fascinating console! :) -t.skid 06/03/04
Oh great! Now I get a guilt trip for almost killing my buddy Saturn! -Thunderbird 12/20/03
AvP Maps

Jaysmith2000

Dec 15 2005, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE (Saturn @ Dec 15 2005, 09:59 AM)

QUOTE (Serblander @ Dec 15 2005, 11:48 AM)

QUOTE (Kevincal @ Dec 14 2005, 06:39 PM)

Another cool thought would be to use normal grey carts to save on the cost of the clear ones. Or maybe sacrafice some Trevor McFur black carts and use those! That would be pretty cool!

That's not 'cool' that's BLASPHEMY!

DISCLAIMER:
The following is my OWN opinion and the result of info I've seen, read and listened to over the course of a few years. It's not intended to step on any toes, put words in anyone's mouth or change a point of view. If, by reading the following you feel the need to accuse me of anything besides having my own thoughts/opinion about the subject, just fuckin bite me instead.

I think BattleSphere was released in the condition it was, with the attention paid to box quality, art and even the details of manufacturing the components because it was supposed to be a prized release/addition. From what I gather, the release meant something and was to be done properly and not just a shit release or quick money maker. Seems like selling the game any other way would be insulting as a lot of pride was taken in all aspects.
Thinking about it like that, seems all the requests over the years for a BS:G withOUT all the extras or even a barebones pcb "so it don't cost so much" would defeat the purpose of having such a pristine piece of software make it's way to consumers.

If I'd gone through all that, I'd want my baby sent out in a dominant fashion. After all, it's the best game on the system.

That last statement is directed toward certain Tempest and AvP lovin Admins.

Saturn Kicks Ass, but AvP is still the best game on the Jag.

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He has always wanted to control everything. Sadly he can't even control himself. - Anonymous 10/4/09

Your reasonings are the reason why I'm here. This has proven again and again to be probably one of the last "safe harbors" from BS of any videogaming board I've ever frequented. JSII is quite simply awesome. - Vanadium 8/24/05
HO HO HO! Saturn Claws: Well little boy, what would u like for Xmas? Child: I wants a PS2 Saturn Claws: Fuck off......you can have a Jaguar like everyone else - Bonzo 12/27/04

Jason ROCKS! I can't wait to see that stuff!!! - Thunderbird 12/26/03

K3V

Dec 15 2005, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE (Jaysmith2000 @ Dec 15 2005, 02:11 PM)

QUOTE (Saturn @ Dec 15 2005, 09:59 AM)

QUOTE (Serblander @ Dec 15 2005, 11:48 AM)

QUOTE (Kevincal @ Dec 14 2005, 06:39 PM)

Another cool thought would be to use normal grey carts to save on the cost of the clear ones. Or maybe sacrafice some Trevor McFur black carts and use those! That would be pretty cool!

That's not 'cool' that's BLASPHEMY!

DISCLAIMER:
The following is my OWN opinion and the result of info I've seen, read and listened to over the course of a few years. It's not intended to step on any toes, put words in anyone's mouth or change a point of view. If, by reading the following you feel the need to accuse me of anything besides having my own thoughts/opinion about the subject, just fuckin bite me instead.

I think BattleSphere was released in the condition it was, with the attention paid to box quality, art and even the details of manufacturing the components because it was supposed to be a prized release/addition. From what I gather, the release meant something and was to be done properly and not just a shit release or quick money maker. Seems like selling the game any other way would be insulting as a lot of pride was taken in all aspects.
Thinking about it like that, seems all the requests over the years for a BS:G withOUT all the extras or even a barebones pcb "so it don't cost so much" would defeat the purpose of having such a pristine piece of software make it's way to consumers.

If I'd gone through all that, I'd want my baby sent out in a dominant fashion. After all, it's the best game on the system.

That last statement is directed toward certain Tempest and AvP lovin Admins.

Saturn Kicks Ass, but AvP is still the best game on the Jag.

Ummm....

T2K.

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Bonzo

Dec 15 2005, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE (Jaysmith2000 @ Dec 15 2005, 06:11 PM)

QUOTE (Saturn @ Dec 15 2005, 09:59 AM)

QUOTE (Serblander @ Dec 15 2005, 11:48 AM)

QUOTE (Kevincal @ Dec 14 2005, 06:39 PM)

Another cool thought would be to use normal grey carts to save on the cost of the clear ones. Or maybe sacrafice some Trevor McFur black carts and use those! That would be pretty cool!

That's not 'cool' that's BLASPHEMY!

DISCLAIMER:
The following is my OWN opinion and the result of info I've seen, read and listened to over the course of a few years. It's not intended to step on any toes, put words in anyone's mouth or change a point of view. If, by reading the following you feel the need to accuse me of anything besides having my own thoughts/opinion about the subject, just fuckin bite me instead.

I think BattleSphere was released in the condition it was, with the attention paid to box quality, art and even the details of manufacturing the components because it was supposed to be a prized release/addition. From what I gather, the release meant something and was to be done properly and not just a shit release or quick money maker. Seems like selling the game any other way would be insulting as a lot of pride was taken in all aspects.
Thinking about it like that, seems all the requests over the years for a BS:G withOUT all the extras or even a barebones pcb "so it don't cost so much" would defeat the purpose of having such a pristine piece of software make it's way to consumers.

If I'd gone through all that, I'd want my baby sent out in a dominant fashion. After all, it's the best game on the system.

That last statement is directed toward certain Tempest and AvP lovin Admins.

Saturn Kicks Ass, but AvP is still the best game on the Jag.

I disagree!

(to the 2nd bit)

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Punisher View Member Profile	Dec 15 2005, 10:18 AM Post #25
Jaguar DKG Stick Group: JSII Preferred Posts: 157 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 83	Saturn, I hope the person has the balls to come out and admit it. He is a regular here and on AA.

Thunderbird

Dec 15 2005, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE (Serblander @ Dec 15 2005, 08:48 AM)

QUOTE (Kevincal @ Dec 14 2005, 06:39 PM)

Another cool thought would be to use normal grey carts to save on the cost of the clear ones. Or maybe sacrafice some Trevor McFur black carts and use those! That would be pretty cool!

That's not 'cool' that's BLASPHEMY!

Then we have the issue of certain people who need every variation swooping in and buying up all the "Opaque" BattleSphere Gold™s on the market. Then we have more versions that people will ebay and there will be arguments over what one is more rare or all that crap.

Plus, the clear cases amortize the cost of the tooling needed to make it. The more clears out there, the less each one has cost by some fraction.

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Dec 15 2005, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE (Saturn @ Dec 15 2005, 09:59 AM)

QUOTE (Serblander @ Dec 15 2005, 11:48 AM)

QUOTE (Kevincal @ Dec 14 2005, 06:39 PM)

Another cool thought would be to use normal grey carts to save on the cost of the clear ones. Or maybe sacrafice some Trevor McFur black carts and use those! That would be pretty cool!

That's not 'cool' that's BLASPHEMY!

DISCLAIMER:
The following is my OWN opinion and the result of info I've seen, read and listened to over the course of a few years. It's not intended to step on any toes, put words in anyone's mouth or change a point of view. If, by reading the following you feel the need to accuse me of anything besides having my own thoughts/opinion about the subject, just fuckin bite me instead.

I think BattleSphere was released in the condition it was, with the attention paid to box quality, art and even the details of manufacturing the components because it was supposed to be a prized release/addition. From what I gather, the release meant something and was to be done properly and not just a shit release or quick money maker. Seems like selling the game any other way would be insulting as a lot of pride was taken in all aspects.
Thinking about it like that, seems all the requests over the years for a BS:G withOUT all the extras or even a barebones pcb "so it don't cost so much" would defeat the purpose of having such a pristine piece of software make it's way to consumers.

If I'd gone through all that, I'd want my baby sent out in a dominant fashion. After all, it's the best game on the system.

That last statement is directed toward certain Tempest and AvP lovin Admins.

By Jove I think He's GOT IT.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79tMMFja-Fw

Thunderbird

Dec 15 2005, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE (Saturn @ Dec 15 2005, 09:59 AM)

QUOTE (Serblander @ Dec 15 2005, 11:48 AM)

QUOTE (Kevincal @ Dec 14 2005, 06:39 PM)

Another cool thought would be to use normal grey carts to save on the cost of the clear ones. Or maybe sacrafice some Trevor McFur black carts and use those! That would be pretty cool!

That's not 'cool' that's BLASPHEMY!

DISCLAIMER:
The following is my OWN opinion and the result of info I've seen, read and listened to over the course of a few years. It's not intended to step on any toes, put words in anyone's mouth or change a point of view. If, by reading the following you feel the need to accuse me of anything besides having my own thoughts/opinion about the subject, just fuckin bite me instead.

I think BattleSphere was released in the condition it was, with the attention paid to box quality, art and even the details of manufacturing the components because it was supposed to be a prized release/addition. From what I gather, the release meant something and was to be done properly and not just a shit release or quick money maker. Seems like selling the game any other way would be insulting as a lot of pride was taken in all aspects.
Thinking about it like that, seems all the requests over the years for a BS:G withOUT all the extras or even a barebones pcb "so it don't cost so much" would defeat the purpose of having such a pristine piece of software make it's way to consumers.

If I'd gone through all that, I'd want my baby sent out in a dominant fashion. After all, it's the best game on the system.

That last statement is directed toward certain Tempest and AvP lovin Admins.

Additionally, it might bear mentioning that BattleSphere Gold™ was created to curtail the highway robbery people were perpetuating with the original game. There was only supposed to be a single run of them and there were only supposed to be one time period where names were taken.

Names were taken and there would be a huge influx of orders and then the demand would completely dry up and there would be weeks without a request. Then we would cease collecting names and get the games made and distributed.

What inevitably happened was that people would get their copy and start discussions online and stragglers would therefore "discover" the game existed long after it had sold out. They would beg for another batch and eventually enough names would collect up that would make the minimum job number for a new batch. Those would then sell out. Then MORE people would "discover" the game throught this process and it would repeat.

Over time this process would play out and eventually people started peddling them on ebay for way more then the retail price. This attracted the attention of speculators and then we run into the problem of the casual Jaguar fan being shut out of a run because they only read messages once in a while and missed out on the deadline.

I think Jay has the right idea to just make a very strict limit on the production runs and never make more. Repeatedly arranging these small runs every few months as the requests accumulate is VERY taxing.

My mistake was probably that I wanted to insure everyone had a chance to get a copy, so I kept collecting names and making more batches. It probably would have caused less trouble if I had just stuck to the original plan and made one batch and let it be "first come, first served" and no more would be made.

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classicvidgamer View Member Profile	Dec 15 2005, 10:50 AM Post #29
Jaguar T2K Rotary Controller Group: JSII Preferred Plus Posts: 787 Joined: 25-July 04 From: San Jose, Ca. Member No.: 126	Hmmm... I fall under at least b. and d. I was on an email list (can't remember which one at this moment) but I did change emails during the whole thing. (Once or twice!) I'd have to boot up my old computer to verify but I definitely remember I emailed TBird and he verified I was on a list. My name was coming up, but he was waiting to hear back from a few others that had dibs before me. This was around Chirstmas time and that was a reason he was giving these folks extra time to get back to him. What with holiday shopping and all. (don't remember the year as I'm at work and can't boot up old computer). The new year came. I heard nothing. I changed ISP's, a long while passed. I then emailed TBird again and he told me I was not on any list, and he didn't have any emails from me. Oh well such is my luck I guess. But if there is any new announcements about BS I'll be sure to keep better track this time. (On a good note, I finally managed to win a copy of the original BS on ebay a few weeks back. It cost an arm and a leg but what the hell. As long as I still have good credit it's all good! Though bidding for BSG is still way outta my league!) >>> >>> >>> >>>

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Dec 15 2005, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE (Thunderbird @ Dec 15 2005, 10:45 AM)

QUOTE (Saturn @ Dec 15 2005, 09:59 AM)

QUOTE (Serblander @ Dec 15 2005, 11:48 AM)

QUOTE (Kevincal @ Dec 14 2005, 06:39 PM)

Another cool thought would be to use normal grey carts to save on the cost of the clear ones. Or maybe sacrafice some Trevor McFur black carts and use those! That would be pretty cool!

That's not 'cool' that's BLASPHEMY!

DISCLAIMER:
The following is my OWN opinion and the result of info I've seen, read and listened to over the course of a few years. It's not intended to step on any toes, put words in anyone's mouth or change a point of view. If, by reading the following you feel the need to accuse me of anything besides having my own thoughts/opinion about the subject, just fuckin bite me instead.

I think BattleSphere was released in the condition it was, with the attention paid to box quality, art and even the details of manufacturing the components because it was supposed to be a prized release/addition. From what I gather, the release meant something and was to be done properly and not just a shit release or quick money maker. Seems like selling the game any other way would be insulting as a lot of pride was taken in all aspects.
Thinking about it like that, seems all the requests over the years for a BS:G withOUT all the extras or even a barebones pcb "so it don't cost so much" would defeat the purpose of having such a pristine piece of software make it's way to consumers.

If I'd gone through all that, I'd want my baby sent out in a dominant fashion. After all, it's the best game on the system.

That last statement is directed toward certain Tempest and AvP lovin Admins.

Additionally, it might bear mentioning that BattleSphere Gold™ was created to curtail the highway robbery people were perpetuating with the original game. There was only supposed to be a single run of them and there were only supposed to be one time period where names were taken.

Names were taken and there would be a huge influx of orders and then the demand would completely dry up and there would be weeks without a request. Then we would cease collecting names and get the games made and distributed.

What inevitably happened was that people would get their copy and start discussions online and stragglers would therefore "discover" the game existed long after it had sold out. They would beg for another batch and eventually enough names would collect up that would make the minimum job number for a new batch. Those would then sell out. Then MORE people would "discover" the game throught this process and it would repeat.

Over time this process would play out and eventually people started peddling them on ebay for way more then the retail price. This attracted the attention of speculators and then we run into the problem of the casual Jaguar fan being shut out of a run because they only read messages once in a while and missed out on the deadline.

I think Jay has the right idea to just make a very strict limit on the production runs and never make more. Repeatedly arranging these small runs every few months as the requests accumulate is VERY taxing.

My mistake was probably that I wanted to insure everyone had a chance to get a copy, so I kept collecting names and making more batches. It probably would have caused less trouble if I had just stuck to the original plan and made one batch and let it be "first come, first served" and no more would be made.

I've found it much easier to just "cut" production off. I've pretty much decided I will NOT be producing any more FFL Betas. This is great for those that have purchased them because it guarantees them a product that will go up in value as the things you've already talked about begin to happen. I'm still getting emails about the Extremist Packs now and then even though they haven't been in production for well over a year....(the last one that is)....

The FFL Beta is very unique in that this is my first attempt (and possibly last) at a cart. The workload in producing a cart is just way too time consuming. With some help it appears I've been provided with an alternative, but it's more trouble than it's worth for me. I wanted to do it, I've done it, now I think I'm done with it at least for the time being. I can't speak for my overseas partner though, I think he might be stepping up to the plate very soon....

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He has always wanted to control everything. Sadly he can't even control himself. - Anonymous 10/4/09

Your reasonings are the reason why I'm here. This has proven again and again to be probably one of the last "safe harbors" from BS of any videogaming board I've ever frequented. JSII is quite simply awesome. - Vanadium 8/24/05
HO HO HO! Saturn Claws: Well little boy, what would u like for Xmas? Child: I wants a PS2 Saturn Claws: Fuck off......you can have a Jaguar like everyone else - Bonzo 12/27/04

Jason ROCKS! I can't wait to see that stuff!!! - Thunderbird 12/26/03

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