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chickybaby
post May 21 2010, 06:07 PM
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Someone on another message board I belong to asked me to get together info from the Organizations I support (HSUS & NWF) of things that can actually be done for anyone in the world who feels compelled due to the disaster. I've got many freinds and family in the areas and whenever I was in Louisiana spend as much time as I could on the Rivers, Backwaters and Swamps. It's a place near and dear to my heart. It's not just that state affected however, that list is growing daily, and it's at the very least a national crisis if not a global one. I am sure there is more that can be, and there will probably be more added to the list, but this is what I had for starters. Thank you.

How Can We all can help -

1.Volunteer for the Cleanup Efforts - The National Wildlife Federation is helping coordinate the on-the-ground volunteer effort, including NWF's Gulf Coast Surveillance Teams, which are being set up to monitor the coastline for wildlife in distress. Also These agencies—Volunteer Louisiana, Volunteer Florida, Volunteer Mississippi, and Volunteer Alabama—are operating in cooperation with the Unified Command Center, the central group in charge of the disaster response. The Unified Command alone has the legal authority to decide on the use of volunteers in an area impacted by a spill. The highly trained HSUS responders from the National Disaster Animal Rescue team—who’ve been involved in many disaster operations—also are gearing up.

Members of the public who wish to volunteer to assist with this effort should contact the Community Information Line at: 866-448-5816
Experienced marine mammal and sea turtle responders and veterinarians should contact their regional or state stranding coordinator to be placed on a standby response list.

2.Donate Financially to the National Wildlife Federation's Gulf Oil Spill Restoration Fund, The HSUS, Marine Mammal Rescue, or other conservation organizations involved.

3. Contact Senators and Representatives that now more than ever we need to pass comprehensive legislation that provides America with cleaner and safer energy choices, to remove the 75 Million cap on liability and punitive damages, and also to put pressure on BP for full disclosure as well as contacting them to support the Mississippi River Delta Restoration project.

4.Of course - Help Spread Messages Online, Pray for those directly involved/Think Good thoughts if you believe it at the very least.

5. Support Local Costal Businesses who are hurting due to the Disaster as well as Tourism in Communities that will be affected. Many Fish and Seafood companies still have products out there and in purchasing those we are helping to minimize their financial losses and many of them also have Tourism type products and souveniers as well.

***PLEASE, if you find wildlife along the Gulf Coast that you think may have been injured by the oil spill, do NOT attempt to rescue it. Call the Oiled Wildlife hotline at 866-557-1401.***

Some site links -
http://www.humanesoc...l_response.html
http://nwf.org/Wildl.../Oil-Spill.aspx
http://www.humanesoc...ea_turtle_.html


For Additional Information:

Oiled Wildlife Care Network Homepage:
http://www.owcn.org/

Marine Mammal Health and Stranding Response Program:
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/health/

NOAA website on Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill Response:
http://response.rest...eepwaterhorizon

NOAA Home Page:
http://www.noaa.gov/

U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service website on Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill Response:
http://www.fws.gov/h...pill/index.html

National Wildlife Federation:
NWF.org

Humane Society of the United States:
Humanesociety.org


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I used ta do a little but a little wouldn't do, till a game became three and four. I just keep tryin' ta get a little better, just a score higher then before. I've been playing my 7800. He's been powered up and he won't leave me alone. No, no ,no, he won't leave me alone.

Очі як море, часом сині і зелені. Хто Я - Вогонь чи Лід? Зникну чи лишy слів на серце? Знати мене через день не треба. Може ніч нам скаже. Просеш, Хочеш? Я світ тобі покажу. Кожні шукають свою Вічного щастя. Ти мій посмішка і радість. Ти мій смуток і біль. Я так хочу тебе. Ти горячий як приcтрасть, холодний як сніг. Ти мій солодкий гріх. Не блякни геть, коли ранок прийде. Через неба літи до мене. Ти мене заколишеш Під зоряний спів, В лавині горячих слів. В чистим місячне світло Впізнай мене, бо моє Серце пізнало тебе. Ти моя любов і моє серце не випустить тебе знова. Нашу солодкий ніч.
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post May 21 2010, 11:17 PM
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I don't personally know any bigger environmentalists or tree hugger than myself, I love lush plant growth. I hate logging shows and am glad they have a hard time cutting down the forest and I would spike Redwood trees and laugh when the chain saw breaks and rips their face off. My biggest environmental bitch is the clear cutting deforestation and slash and burn farming of the Amazon - that's where my primary environmental concern is and where my support goes mostly.

But...

I'm going to wait until they are done destroying the environment & completely trashing the gulf before I try to help - the damn open well is still spewing out 10,000+ barrels a day (a barrel is 55 gallons) at 1000+ P.S.I. of pressure a mile deep. It's not going to do any good to start cleaning when their still letting toxic oil into the waters to be spread everywhere eventually. You know what I mean? How are you going to clean the beaches or filter the oil out of the water(Kevin Costner's centrifuge) when the source of the oil has not stopped flowing yet??? I'd rather help clean something once rather than multiple times or continually till they figure out how to plug the well.

I will help the gulf cleanup efforts with whatever I can but I want them to do their job first and stop the flow of oil.


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post May 22 2010, 06:50 AM
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Right now the local areas are putting up berms, booms and anything they can to try to sop up the stuff before land. Of course also cleaning up whatevre turtles, sea birds and now mammals they can that are affected and thats where help is desperately needed - for Defense and the 'Kids' (animals great and small). It's in massive critical mode because once these delicate wetlands and beaches are soaked with oil it will be far more difficult. Oil's started hitting the wetlands now, so it's bad and help is needed more then ever.

My yard is a National Wildlife Federation certified Habitat if that says anything. I've worked with A wildlife rehab centre since I was a kid, 2 Dog rescues (Greyhouond and Pitbull) and a Cat, Horse, and Rat ones. My 2 Favourites that actually do stuff are the HSUS (Presidents Club) and NWF (Circle Member [though i may have switched the names]). For People Charities its of course mostly Childrten Related - St. Judes Children's is the national one and Every year the Church coordinates with the local Group Home. Also the Nursing Home locally ruins an "Adopt a Grandparent" Programme which we were doing till I got sick and Beasty and I used to visit Shut-ins together. There's also Meals on Wheels (which has even helped elderly family members of mine). The UWLA which my Godmother and Grandfather (who is currently doing service and giving scholarships in Ukraine at 90) helps run - Ukrainain Womens league of America does Holiday Food Baskets and of course my Church does stuff too. Its also fun for Bean and I to go on a "Mission" and go grocery shopping for the Post Office's Stamp out Hunger Non Perishable Drive 2x a yr. It was just 2? weeks ago and 40$ does not buy as much groceries as it used to. sad.gif
With being as sick as I have, haven't been able to be as involved as I truly want to and previously have been but am hoping that once health is back up I can get back into it. The Small school I went to is closing and public schools suck locally so I have prayed about it and because of her special needs most likely will homeschool Bean.
This will definitely allow me to incorporate Service activities with her as part of her daily 'schooling' as well as things like Cooking, Growing a Garden, Auto Mechanics (garage I worked at), Book Store (my best friends used one) etc. This will also enable me to be with loved ones/family members in different parts of the world and actually take her to historic places vs reading about them in a book. Whether I would be in England or visiting family in Canada, if I homeschool she won't miss classes and it will be very educational I think. Plus every day we practice sign language(Signing Times -have 11 of the themed DVDs and 2 practice ones) and she's now old enough (almost) to go to "Ukrainain School" like I did on Saturdays for standard formal classes and of course "Sunday School", dance lessons and football(soccer), piano (old friend is a concert pianist), art lessons, as well as museum and zoo memberships and the library program for young children. *Whew* But to me it's important that she gets the education she needs and isn't just drugged or classified and thrown into a room/lesson plan that doesn't challenge her (despite any personal challenges).
Sorry to talk on about it (sort of) just stuff I am passionate about. Thanks. wink.gif

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I used ta do a little but a little wouldn't do, till a game became three and four. I just keep tryin' ta get a little better, just a score higher then before. I've been playing my 7800. He's been powered up and he won't leave me alone. No, no ,no, he won't leave me alone.

Очі як море, часом сині і зелені. Хто Я - Вогонь чи Лід? Зникну чи лишy слів на серце? Знати мене через день не треба. Може ніч нам скаже. Просеш, Хочеш? Я світ тобі покажу. Кожні шукають свою Вічного щастя. Ти мій посмішка і радість. Ти мій смуток і біль. Я так хочу тебе. Ти горячий як приcтрасть, холодний як сніг. Ти мій солодкий гріх. Не блякни геть, коли ранок прийде. Через неба літи до мене. Ти мене заколишеш Під зоряний спів, В лавині горячих слів. В чистим місячне світло Впізнай мене, бо моє Серце пізнало тебе. Ти моя любов і моє серце не випустить тебе знова. Нашу солодкий ніч.
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post May 22 2010, 12:25 PM
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Cleaning oil-soaked wetlands may be impossible

By MATTHEW BROWN, Associated Press Writer Matthew Brown, Associated Press Writer – 53 mins ago

NEW ORLEANS – The gooey oil washing into the maze of marshes along the Gulf Coast could prove impossible to remove, leaving a toxic stew lethal to fish and wildlife, government officials and independent scientists said.

Officials are considering some drastic and risky solutions: They could set the wetlands on fire or flood areas in hopes of floating out the oil.

But they warn an aggressive cleanup could ruin the marshes and do more harm than good. The only viable option for many impacted areas is to do nothing and let nature break down the spill.

More than 50 miles of Louisiana's delicate shoreline already have been soiled by the massive slick unleashed after BP's Deepwater Horizon burned and sank last month. Officials fear oil eventually could invade wetlands and beaches from Texas to Florida. Louisiana is expected to be hit hardest.

"Oil in the marshes is the worst-case scenario," said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the head of the federal effort to contain and clean up the spill.

Oil that has rolled into shoreline wetlands now coats the stalks and leaves of plants such as roseau cane — the fabric that holds together an ecosystem that is essential to the region's fishing industry and a much-needed buffer against Gulf hurricanes. Soon, oil will smother those plants and choke off their supply of air and nutrients.

In some eddies and protected inlets, the ochre-colored crude has pooled beneath the water's surface, forming clumps several inches deep.

With the seafloor leak still gushing hundreds of thousands of gallons a day, the damage is only getting worse. Millions of gallons already have leaked so far.

Coast Guard officials said Saturday the spill's impact now stretches across a 150-mile swath, from Dauphin Island, Ala. to Grand Isle, La.

Over time, experts say weather and natural microbes will break down most of the oil. However, the crude will surely poison plants and wildlife in the months — even years — it will take for the syrupy muck to dissipate.

Back in 1989, crews fighting the Exxon Valdez tanker spill — which unleashed almost 11 million gallons of oil into Alaska's Prince William Sound — used pressure hoses and rakes to clean the shores. The Gulf Coast is just too fragile for that: those tactics could blast apart the peat-like soils that hold the marshes together.

Hundreds of miles of bayous and man-made canals crisscross the coast's exterior, offering numerous entry points for the crude. Access is difficult and time-intensive, even in the best of circumstances.

"Just the compaction of humanity bringing equipment in, walking on them, will kill them," said David White, a wetlands ecologist from Loyola University in New Orleans.

Marshes offer a vital line of defense against Gulf storms, blunting their fury before they hit populated areas. Louisiana and the federal government have spent hundreds of millions rebuilding barriers that were wiped out by hurricanes, notably Katrina in 2005.

They also act as nursery grounds for shrimp, crabs, oysters — the backbone of the region's fishing industry. Hundreds of thousands of migratory birds nest in the wetlands' inner reaches, a complex network of bayous, bays and man-made canals.

To keep oil from pushing deep into Louisiana's marshes, Gov. Bobby Jindal and officials from several coastal parishes want permission to erect a $350 million network of sand berms linking the state's barrier islands and headlands.

That plan is awaiting approval from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. If large volumes of oil make it through passes, the cleanup will become far more difficult as oil spreads into the bayous and canals.

Smaller spills have been occurring in the marshes for decades. In the past, cleanup crews would sometimes slice out oiled vegetation and take it to a landfill, said Andy Nyman with Louisiana State University.

But with the plants gone, water from the gulf would roll in and wash away the roots, turning wetlands to open water.

Adm. Allen said that where conditions are right, an "in-situ burn" could be used to set oil-coated plants ablaze.

Nyman and other experts, though, warn it's trickier than simply lighting a fire. If the marsh is too wet, the oil won't burn. Too dry, the roots burn and the marsh can be ruined.

Representatives from BP PLC — which leased the sunken rig and is responsible for the cleanup — said Saturday that cleanup crews have started more direct cleanup methods along Pass a Loutre in Plaquemines Parish. Shallow water skimmers were attempting to remove the oil from the top of the marsh.

Streams of water could later be used in a bid to wash oil from between cane stalks.

In other cases, the company will rely on "bioremediation" — letting oil-eating microbes do the work.

"Nature has a way of helping the situation," said BP spokesman John Curry.

But White, the Loyola scientist, predicted at least short-term ruin for some of the wetlands he's been studying for three decades. Under a worst-case scenario, he said the damage could exceed the 217 square miles of wetlands lost during the 2005 hurricane season.

"When I say that my stomach turns," he said.


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I used ta do a little but a little wouldn't do, till a game became three and four. I just keep tryin' ta get a little better, just a score higher then before. I've been playing my 7800. He's been powered up and he won't leave me alone. No, no ,no, he won't leave me alone.

Очі як море, часом сині і зелені. Хто Я - Вогонь чи Лід? Зникну чи лишy слів на серце? Знати мене через день не треба. Може ніч нам скаже. Просеш, Хочеш? Я світ тобі покажу. Кожні шукають свою Вічного щастя. Ти мій посмішка і радість. Ти мій смуток і біль. Я так хочу тебе. Ти горячий як приcтрасть, холодний як сніг. Ти мій солодкий гріх. Не блякни геть, коли ранок прийде. Через неба літи до мене. Ти мене заколишеш Під зоряний спів, В лавині горячих слів. В чистим місячне світло Впізнай мене, бо моє Серце пізнало тебе. Ти моя любов і моє серце не випустить тебе знова. Нашу солодкий ніч.
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post May 27 2010, 11:04 PM
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This Oil spill is outta control,just like my penis! laugh.gif

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post May 28 2010, 04:14 AM
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Oh Buddies...
Perhaps we should cut off that supply too then before it pollutes more? ohmy.gif laugh.gif

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This Oil spill is outta control,just like my penis! laugh.gif



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I used ta do a little but a little wouldn't do, till a game became three and four. I just keep tryin' ta get a little better, just a score higher then before. I've been playing my 7800. He's been powered up and he won't leave me alone. No, no ,no, he won't leave me alone.

Очі як море, часом сині і зелені. Хто Я - Вогонь чи Лід? Зникну чи лишy слів на серце? Знати мене через день не треба. Може ніч нам скаже. Просеш, Хочеш? Я світ тобі покажу. Кожні шукають свою Вічного щастя. Ти мій посмішка і радість. Ти мій смуток і біль. Я так хочу тебе. Ти горячий як приcтрасть, холодний як сніг. Ти мій солодкий гріх. Не блякни геть, коли ранок прийде. Через неба літи до мене. Ти мене заколишеш Під зоряний спів, В лавині горячих слів. В чистим місячне світло Впізнай мене, бо моє Серце пізнало тебе. Ти моя любов і моє серце не випустить тебе знова. Нашу солодкий ніч.
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post Jun 6 2010, 12:39 PM
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I'm such a rabble rouser -
BP CEO Tony Hayword celebrated his 54th birthday on May 20th. If you
have yet to send him a gift, here is his address:

Tony Hayward, CEO
c/o British Petroleum
International Headquarters
1 St. James Square
London S.W. 1 Y4PD
United Kingdom

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June 6, 2010, 1:43 pm Why is Salvaged Oil Going to BP Instead of U.S. Reserves?
By ANDREW C. REVKIN


For the moment, BP officials are saying that the oil they’re skimming from the Gulf of Mexico and siphoning from the unabated seabed gusher into the Discoverer Enterprise (above) belongs to the company, Times reporters tell me.

That seems outrageous. Even at 10,000 barrels a day times $75 a barrel, that potential revenue is a tiny fraction of the $23 million a day the company says it’s paying for cleanups and other costs. But to my mind, this is irrelevant.

Along with all of its other obligations and penalties, perhaps BP should be required — if only for symbolic value — to contribute to the United States Strategic Petroleum Reserve an amount of oil equal to every barrel now being salvaged from the seabed gusher at its Macondo Prospect well.

Heck, why not the entire estimated flow, given that the company’s chief executive, Tony Hayward, has acknowledged its failure to prepare for worst-case risks. That momentous lapse has resulted not only in 11 deaths and spreading environmental and economic disruption, but also the loss of a resource owned by the American people.

I’ll circulate this question to some environmental and corporate lawyers. What are your thoughts?


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I used ta do a little but a little wouldn't do, till a game became three and four. I just keep tryin' ta get a little better, just a score higher then before. I've been playing my 7800. He's been powered up and he won't leave me alone. No, no ,no, he won't leave me alone.

Очі як море, часом сині і зелені. Хто Я - Вогонь чи Лід? Зникну чи лишy слів на серце? Знати мене через день не треба. Може ніч нам скаже. Просеш, Хочеш? Я світ тобі покажу. Кожні шукають свою Вічного щастя. Ти мій посмішка і радість. Ти мій смуток і біль. Я так хочу тебе. Ти горячий як приcтрасть, холодний як сніг. Ти мій солодкий гріх. Не блякни геть, коли ранок прийде. Через неба літи до мене. Ти мене заколишеш Під зоряний спів, В лавині горячих слів. В чистим місячне світло Впізнай мене, бо моє Серце пізнало тебе. Ти моя любов і моє серце не випустить тебе знова. Нашу солодкий ніч.
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post Jun 6 2010, 01:22 PM
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In reply to Andrew Revkin's closing question, given the tone of his message, I'd ask him if he'd be posing the very same question if it were a US oil company at fault instead.

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I don't see what's wrong with BP claiming the oil belongs to them. It did come from their well, after all.


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still gushing...


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post Jun 7 2010, 05:57 AM
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NewsMassive Flow Of Bullshit Continues To Gush From BP Headquarters
June 7, 2010 | ISSUE 46•23

06.23.04 LONDON—As the crisis in the Gulf of Mexico entered its eighth week Wednesday, fears continued to grow that the massive flow of bullshit still gushing from the headquarters of oil giant BP could prove catastrophic if nothing is done to contain it.

The toxic bullshit, which began to spew from the mouths of BP executives shortly after the explosion of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig in April, has completely devastated the Gulf region, delaying cleanup efforts, affecting thousands of jobs, and endangering the lives of all nearby wildlife.

"Everything we can see at the moment suggests that the overall environmental impact of this will be very, very modest," said BP CEO Tony Hayward, letting loose a colossal stream of undiluted bullshit. "The Gulf of Mexico is a very big ocean, and the volume of oil we are putting into it is tiny in relation to the total volume of water."


Hayward's comments fueled fears that the spouting of overwhelmingly thick and slimy bullshit may never subside.
According to sources, the sheer quantity of bullshit pouring out of Hayward is unprecedented, and it has thoroughly drenched the coastlines of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida, with no end in sight.

Though no one knows exactly how much of the dangerous bullshit is currently gushing out of BP headquarters, estimates put the number at somewhere between 25,000 and 70,000 words a day.

"We're looking at a truly staggering load of shit here," said Rebecca Palmer, an environmental scientist at the University of Georgia, who claimed that only BP has the ability to stem the flow of bullshit and plug it at its source. "And this is just the beginning—we're only seeing the surface-level bullshit. It could be years before we sift through it all and figure out just how deep this bullshit goes."

Congressional hearings aimed at stopping the bullshit have thus far failed to do so, with officials from BP and its contractors Halliburton and Transocean only adding to the powerful torrents of bullshit by blaming one another for the accident.

Along with the region's wildlife and fragile ecosystem, countless livelihoods have been jeopardized by BP's unchecked flow of corporate shit. Those who depend on fishing or tourism for their income are already feeling the noxious effects of the bullshit firsthand, as out-of-control platitudes begin to reach land and seep ashore.


Dense streams of shit are expected to continue spreading throughout the region and the entire United States.
"This bullshit, it's everywhere," said Louisiana fisherman Doug LaRoux, who lost his house to a tide of government bullshit following Hurricane Katrina. "It reeks. Big buckets of disgusting shit are oozing everywhere you look and I don't know if it's ever going to stop. I feel helpless"

Added LaRoux, "I never thought I'd be the victim of so much bullshit."

Observers have noted that after the Exxon Valdez spill in 1989, corporate bullshit gushed up like a geyser for two decades and didn't wane until the oil company had bullshit its way through an exhaustive process of court appeals that ultimately reduced payouts to victims by 90 percent.

Despite Hayward's denials that BP is at fault for the environmental disaster and his concern that it will result in "illegitimate" American lawsuits, the embattled CEO has still managed to trickle out a few last drips of bullshit sympathy for Gulf Coast residents.

"I'm as devastated as you are by this," Hayward said after a meeting with cleanup crews on Louisiana's Fourchon Beach. "We will clean every last drop up and we will remediate all of the environmental damage."

"There's no one that wants this thing over with more than I do," he added a week later, just absolutely defying belief with the thickest, most dangerous bullshit yet. "I'd like my life back."

Millions of Americans reported feeling ill and disoriented upon contact with that particularly vile plume of bullshit.

Many environmentalists, including Palmer, have called for a boycott of BP until the bullshit stops or is at least under control, but they emphasize that in the long term, Americans will have to change their habits if they wish to avoid future catastrophes.

"We must all work together if we're going to cure our nation of this addiction," Palmer said. "The sad fact is, the United States has been running on bullshit for decades."

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I used ta do a little but a little wouldn't do, till a game became three and four. I just keep tryin' ta get a little better, just a score higher then before. I've been playing my 7800. He's been powered up and he won't leave me alone. No, no ,no, he won't leave me alone.

Очі як море, часом сині і зелені. Хто Я - Вогонь чи Лід? Зникну чи лишy слів на серце? Знати мене через день не треба. Може ніч нам скаже. Просеш, Хочеш? Я світ тобі покажу. Кожні шукають свою Вічного щастя. Ти мій посмішка і радість. Ти мій смуток і біль. Я так хочу тебе. Ти горячий як приcтрасть, холодний як сніг. Ти мій солодкий гріх. Не блякни геть, коли ранок прийде. Через неба літи до мене. Ти мене заколишеш Під зоряний спів, В лавині горячих слів. В чистим місячне світло Впізнай мене, бо моє Серце пізнало тебе. Ти моя любов і моє серце не випустить тебе знова. Нашу солодкий ніч.
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Nice oil disaster article there chicky! - now that one is more accurate than all the others I have read!!!! wink.gif


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Regardless of the source, I think it's spoken what many of us have wanted to and agree with completely.
It's rare I'll post something with massive amounts of profane language but to be honest in this case imo it's true and I love how they've written it!

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Nice oil disaster article there chicky! - now that one is more accurate than all the others I have read!!!! wink.gif


If you want to cut down on the petroleum products used in your home here's a few suggestions I've found online. smile.gif

Here is a catalog of natural products-
http://www.gaiam.com/

Affordable Dish, Hand, laundry cleaners, window cleaner, fabric softener all purpose home cleaner even automatic dish washer tabs - http://www.sunandearth.com/productspage.aspx

100% AMERICAN SOURCED & AMERICAN MADE.Starch from renewable potatoes and other vegetables , recycled fiber,Limestone biodegradable heavy duty disposable plates and bowls - http://www.earthshell.com/products.php
http://www.earthshell.com/products.php

Here's some popular personal health products from lips to hair - http://www.burtsbees.com/natural-products/all-products/

Gardening is awesome too and teaches kids valuable lessons and anyone with an apartment ot a home can grow something like a tomato plant, legal herbs like oregano, basil, rosemary, chives (not the funny stuff, lol), or a pepper plant and strawberries. There are also miniature fruit trees as well. Plus imo, home grown produce just seems to taste better. smile.gif Lowes, Home Depot, Kmart, Walmart, and even many Grocery stores are selling common plants that are easy to grow.

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I used ta do a little but a little wouldn't do, till a game became three and four. I just keep tryin' ta get a little better, just a score higher then before. I've been playing my 7800. He's been powered up and he won't leave me alone. No, no ,no, he won't leave me alone.

Очі як море, часом сині і зелені. Хто Я - Вогонь чи Лід? Зникну чи лишy слів на серце? Знати мене через день не треба. Може ніч нам скаже. Просеш, Хочеш? Я світ тобі покажу. Кожні шукають свою Вічного щастя. Ти мій посмішка і радість. Ти мій смуток і біль. Я так хочу тебе. Ти горячий як приcтрасть, холодний як сніг. Ти мій солодкий гріх. Не блякни геть, коли ранок прийде. Через неба літи до мене. Ти мене заколишеш Під зоряний спів, В лавині горячих слів. В чистим місячне світло Впізнай мене, бо моє Серце пізнало тебе. Ти моя любов і моє серце не випустить тебе знова. Нашу солодкий ніч.
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Thank you for listing and linking some needed natural products sources to help allieviate some of my(and others') dependecies on Petroleum based household items. When people find out how things are made -It's really surprising to some people just how entrenched petroleum in modern industry is, it truely goes far beyond oil, gas & cars: oil makes and has a hand in the production of 1,000's of everyday products, that people really don't think about where they come from. In the past couple of years I have been using various "Hemp" based products, that I order from a Northern California company by mail/internet - hemp is a strain of Cannabis Sativa, but without the drug: THC, so the hemp clothes I buy cannot be smoked. laugh.gif

Science tells us petroleum(crude oil) is dead biomass -plants that were alive millions of years ago, specifically from when the earth had a lot tropical marshlands, dead plants in that time(and today's marshes) don't decay very well because as we know there is not a lot of oxygen for that process to take place in marshy waters, so that eventually became all manner of fossil fuels; shale, coal, natural gas and petroleum. It's a non-renewable resource and as we know: quite toxic to anything that lives.

Living Plants are renewable resources tho , and any product that the dead plants(oil) can make, living biomass can also make, but it can do it cheaper, cleaner and with no toxicicity. If all our fuels were made from plants it would actually clean up our air of excess CO2, because more CO2 is required to grow the plants(anything; corn, wheat, barely, oats, tree wood and yes hemp among others) than is released from the burning of these kinds of fuels.

However, as they say "oil runs the world" - and from what I have read the people producing the oil don't want to lose the vast riches and pure controlling power that comes along with the oil industries of the world. That power and wealth would be taken out of the hands of the rich upper 1% people of the world, and redistributed, because -if every joe blow farmer could be growing plants that he could sell to the power industry he would be helping to produce our countries' large & many different types of energy requirements to continue our power hungry society as is, and oil companies don't want to give up power and money.

The oil barons like BP don't want to lose their concentration of wealth and power(political power) that petrol provides. After all it costs a lot of money and resources to drill for oil - only the few, the rich, can do that. And we depend on that for our power to our houses and cars. So when you hear people say we need to find alternatives to petrol, there are fine alternatives such as "living biomasses" already available and ready to be implemented. I really don't want a car run by a battery or dangerous Hydrogen or solar or wind power. I want internal combustion engine power! smile.gif, but it doesn't have to be run by dirty dirty oils. The loss of petrol oil company revenues and the loss of the people, countries' and the monies controlling aspects of their industrial power(to set gas prices...forstarters! wink.gif is a big reason I believe for the ultra-slow change to using something other than non-renewable crude oil. It is NOT that we have to find and develop power alternatives they are already here. (i.e.-living biomass)

The only reason I mention hemp is because it is among the fastest growing plants on earth and one of the most resourceful(many uses) of living biomass on Earth. You see, the usable energy return if you factor in the processing of the plant into fuels for us to use, is much much higher than other plants such as corn which only return slightly more energy to burn than is used to process them into the fuel in the first place. Also, a spill of this nature is not deadly toxic to the environment.

Hemp for Victory! - Hemp, if employed to do so could supply the entire US with all it's energy needs by cultivating 6%-8% of the continental US with this non-drug Hemp plant. Hemp and other plants used for living biomass fuels are clean burning renewable fuels!(btw- it's the cellulose in the hemp stalks that are coverted to fuel, it talks all about it in a 1937 issue of Popular Mechanics)

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I will now proceed to wake up from this crazy(pot head- tree hugger- environmental freak) dream and breath that foul smelling petrol emmisions laiden air that I can totally smell early every morning as masses of people get in their cars and go to work here in Phoenix.

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Marijuana, The Gulf Oil Spill and Obama
From: http://newagecitizen.com/MERP/RelegalizeNowObama44.htm

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He(Obama) is a hypocrite because he wants to hold American Adults to a standard that he never observed himself. As he has said, he inhaled often and "that was the point."(ovalbugmann: I remember when he said this does anyone else?) So it is OK for him to get "high" but not for other Adult Americans?

But Jack summarized the real reason no President, or member of Congress, would truly advocate Marijuana Re-Legalization perfectly in "The Emperor:"

So, What's the Catch?

The “catch” is obvious: The energy companies! They own most of the petrochemical, pharmaceutical, liquor and tobaccos companies, and are intertwined with insurance companies and banks.

According to the press, many politicians now in power are bought and paid for by the energy companies, and their U.S. government arm is the CIA – “The Company”– (Robert Ludlum, etc.). The Bush, Sr., Clinton, and Bush, Jr. Administrations were/are uniquely tied to oil, newspapers, pharmaceuticals – and the CIA.

The world struggle for money is actually a struggle for energy, as it is through energy that we may produce food, shelter, transportation and entertainment. It is this struggle which often erupts into open war. If we remove the cause, these conflicts may never occur.

(Carl Sagan; and U.S. EPA prediction, 1983, of worldwide disaster in the making within 30 to 50 years.)

Energy Security

If introduced to Third World nations, hemp biomass could drastically cut our overseas aid and reasons for war, while raising the quality of life there by quantum leaps.

New, non-polluting industries will spring up everywhere. The world economy will boom like never before. The race of man will at last be betting on environmental survival instead of indulging in the lemming-like (suicidal) consumption of fossil fuel, which threatens all life on the planet.
The Emperor Wears No Clothes: Chapter Nine (ECONOMICS: Energy, Environment and Commerce) By Jack Herer
http://www.jackherer.com/chapter09.html



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In 2006, when our petroleum resources have dwindled to 20% of their original size, America will have six choices to avoid economic and environmental ruin:

1. Use more coal, further polluting the environment
2. Continue to fund nuclear power and risk annihilation of the planet
3. Convert forests into fuel, permanently altering life-sustaining ecosystems
4. Continually wage wars over foreign oil
5. Build massive wind, solar, geothermal, and tidal energy systems
6. Establish energy farms to grow biomass fuels

The last two choices are the only rational, life-sustaining choices.

Farming only 6% of continental U.S. acreage with biomass crops would provide all of America’s gas and oil energy needs, ending dependence upon fossil fuels.

Manahan, Stanley E., Environmental Chemistry, 4th Edition
The Emperor Wears No Clothes: Chapter Nine (ECONOMICS: Energy, Environment and Commerce) By Jack Herer
http://www.jackherer.com/chapter09.html


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